Comments on: Points in the Paint http://ballerblogger.com/2009/02/09/points-in-the-paint-5/ NBA blog Wed, 02 May 2012 15:36:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: Brandon Hoffman http://ballerblogger.com/2009/02/09/points-in-the-paint-5/comment-page-1/#comment-14894 Brandon Hoffman Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:11:26 +0000 http://ballerblogger.com/?p=1010#comment-14894 There are varying degrees of "clutch." I don't think 82games' data should be used as conclusive evidence that one player is more clutch than another. LeBron has hit more game-winners than anyone over the past 6 seasons. But we don't have "clutch" data beyond the 2003-04 season. Carmelo Anthony has the best clutch shooting percentage, but he's never hit a game-winner in the playoffs. Don't me wrong, I value this kind of data. But it's still inconclusive. There are varying degrees of “clutch.”

I don’t think 82games’ data should be used as conclusive evidence that one player is more clutch than another. LeBron has hit more game-winners than anyone over the past 6 seasons. But we don’t have “clutch” data beyond the 2003-04 season. Carmelo Anthony has the best clutch shooting percentage, but he’s never hit a game-winner in the playoffs.

Don’t me wrong, I value this kind of data. But it’s still inconclusive.

]]> By: Brandon Hoffman http://ballerblogger.com/2009/02/09/points-in-the-paint-5/comment-page-1/#comment-14891 Brandon Hoffman Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:53:14 +0000 http://ballerblogger.com/?p=1010#comment-14891 Tsunami: I don't have a problem with 82games' "super clutch" stats. Here's how I would define clutch time: 4th quarter or overtime, less than 3 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points. I think 3 minutes is perfect. I would agree with a margin up to 7 points since that makes it a 3-possession game. Tsunami:

I don’t have a problem with 82games’ “super clutch” stats.

Here’s how I would define clutch time:

4th quarter or overtime, less than 3 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points.

I think 3 minutes is perfect. I would agree with a margin up to 7 points since that makes it a 3-possession game.

]]> By: Sensei1 http://ballerblogger.com/2009/02/09/points-in-the-paint-5/comment-page-1/#comment-14887 Sensei1 Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:12:41 +0000 http://ballerblogger.com/?p=1010#comment-14887 Clutch what is it exactly and specifically? Is it hitting a shot with 5 mins to go or is it draining a three with the enemies best deffender in your face, with just seconds to go and no other options? Clutch will mean alot of things to alot of people. Fans of Kobe, fans of James, and fans of basketball will all see clutch differently. But how important is clutch in the grand scheme of things? How often are teams finding themselves in the "clutch"? When these players find themselves in the clutch, what are the circumstances that lead up to this moment in time? All these need to be answered before we go screaming "oh this player is clutch!" Jordan was clutch against the Utah Jazz after the Refs refused to call him for a foul. The Bulls won the game and series. Kobe was clutch when he hit the game winner against Detroit with a tic left on the clock but the Lakers still lost the series. Lebron single handedly beat the Pistons to drag his team into the finals only to get swep by Duncan and the Spurs. In each instance these players hit important "clutch shots" but the outcome was different for all except Jordan. All in all the whole discussion of Clutch seems pointless. Are they winning or losing? Kobe is winning. Jordan has won. Lebron is trying to win. Clutch what is it exactly and specifically? Is it hitting a shot with 5 mins to go or is it draining a three with the enemies best deffender in your face, with just seconds to go and no other options? Clutch will mean alot of things to alot of people. Fans of Kobe, fans of James, and fans of basketball will all see clutch differently. But how important is clutch in the grand scheme of things? How often are teams finding themselves in the “clutch”? When these players find themselves in the clutch, what are the circumstances that lead up to this moment in time? All these need to be answered before we go screaming “oh this player is clutch!” Jordan was clutch against the Utah Jazz after the Refs refused to call him for a foul. The Bulls won the game and series. Kobe was clutch when he hit the game winner against Detroit with a tic left on the clock but the Lakers still lost the series. Lebron single handedly beat the Pistons to drag his team into the finals only to get swep by Duncan and the Spurs. In each instance these players hit important “clutch shots” but the outcome was different for all except Jordan. All in all the whole discussion of Clutch seems pointless. Are they winning or losing? Kobe is winning. Jordan has won. Lebron is trying to win.

]]> By: Tsunami http://ballerblogger.com/2009/02/09/points-in-the-paint-5/comment-page-1/#comment-14886 Tsunami Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:09:04 +0000 http://ballerblogger.com/?p=1010#comment-14886 So how would you objectively define "clutch" time? So how would you objectively define “clutch” time?

]]> By: Brandon Hoffman http://ballerblogger.com/2009/02/09/points-in-the-paint-5/comment-page-1/#comment-14880 Brandon Hoffman Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:40:03 +0000 http://ballerblogger.com/?p=1010#comment-14880 I don't agree with 82games' definition of clutch time. Five minutes is an eternity in the NBA. A made field goal to put your team up 7 or bring your team within 3 with 4:30 to go isn't clutch to me. That's not a knock against LeBron James. The only reason I used LeBron as an example is because he led the league in Production per 48 Minutes of Clutch Time last season. I don’t agree with 82games’ definition of clutch time. Five minutes is an eternity in the NBA. A made field goal to put your team up 7 or bring your team within 3 with 4:30 to go isn’t clutch to me.

That’s not a knock against LeBron James. The only reason I used LeBron as an example is because he led the league in Production per 48 Minutes of Clutch Time last season.

]]> By: Tsunami http://ballerblogger.com/2009/02/09/points-in-the-paint-5/comment-page-1/#comment-14879 Tsunami Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:28:44 +0000 http://ballerblogger.com/?p=1010#comment-14879 "Let’s use LeBron James as an example since James led the NBA in Production per 48 Minutes of Clutch Time last season. You’re telling me if LeBron James hits a jumper with 4:50 left in the game and the Cavs down 5 — that’s a “clutch” play? I don’t think so. Performing in the clutch is about succeeding under pressure. Where’s the pressure in that scenario? There’s too much time left in the game." What does this mean? “Let’s use LeBron James as an example since James led the NBA in Production per 48 Minutes of Clutch Time last season. You’re telling me if LeBron James hits a jumper with 4:50 left in the game and the Cavs down 5 — that’s a “clutch” play? I don’t think so. Performing in the clutch is about succeeding under pressure. Where’s the pressure in that scenario? There’s too much time left in the game.”

What does this mean?

]]> By: Brandon Hoffman http://ballerblogger.com/2009/02/09/points-in-the-paint-5/comment-page-1/#comment-14878 Brandon Hoffman Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:21:57 +0000 http://ballerblogger.com/?p=1010#comment-14878 I didn't dismiss anything. I didn’t dismiss anything.

]]> By: Tsunami http://ballerblogger.com/2009/02/09/points-in-the-paint-5/comment-page-1/#comment-14839 Tsunami Tue, 10 Feb 2009 07:37:27 +0000 http://ballerblogger.com/?p=1010#comment-14839 They have a "Superclutch" stat, which you can feel free to call regular "clutch" - but you will probably want to dismiss it as well since LeBron bests Kobe again. It's 2 minutes or less neither team ahead by more than 3 points. They have a “Superclutch” stat, which you can feel free to call regular “clutch” – but you will probably want to dismiss it as well since LeBron bests Kobe again.

It’s 2 minutes or less neither team ahead by more than 3 points.

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